Comments on: Missing the Milky Way http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/ "Wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." —Job 9:10 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ted M. Gossard http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-620 Ted M. Gossard Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:13:25 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-620 Wonderful, beautiful post. Yes, I miss the stars. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a outdoor light turn off across the city on a clear summer night. Well, it would help too if we had less air pollution. Anyhow we are impoverished in missing the stars, and the sense of the awesomeness and majesty of their Creator. Wonderful, beautiful post. Yes, I miss the stars. Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a outdoor light turn off across the city on a clear summer night. Well, it would help too if we had less air pollution. Anyhow we are impoverished in missing the stars, and the sense of the awesomeness and majesty of their Creator.

]]> By: Dean Ohlman http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-619 Dean Ohlman Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:56:48 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-619 I don't think we really understand how this sort of loss of intimacy with God's cosmos is diminishing us. I have a real sense of sadness about that. My brother was a navigator on a P2V Neptune during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1961. Your dad would have known that plane, since the one my brother flew in was made in 1945. He too had to learn first how to navigate by the stars before he learned the electronic version. Now, he says, he's forgotten most of that. They live on Orcas Island during the warmer half of the year, and the way the wind currents come up over the island in the warmer air also tends to make moisture in the air occlude their view of the stars. It's hard to beat the high mountain or desert views of the stars. I don’t think we really understand how this sort of loss of intimacy with God’s cosmos is diminishing us. I have a real sense of sadness about that. My brother was a navigator on a P2V Neptune during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1961. Your dad would have known that plane, since the one my brother flew in was made in 1945. He too had to learn first how to navigate by the stars before he learned the electronic version. Now, he says, he’s forgotten most of that. They live on Orcas Island during the warmer half of the year, and the way the wind currents come up over the island in the warmer air also tends to make moisture in the air occlude their view of the stars. It’s hard to beat the high mountain or desert views of the stars.

]]> By: mjday http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-618 mjday Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:43:29 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-618 In WWII, Dad's destroyer was seriouly damaged by a kamikaze impact. The officers navigated the ship all the way from the Phillipines to San Francisco using the stars. In the '60's, the folks bought beach property a half hour drive from home. Dad taught us kids the major stars and constellations at that time. The Milky Way was then brightly visible. I could always find Cassiopeia, the lazy W by looking above the neighbor's beach cabin. Now that old country road is home to housing developments, a grade school, and gas station/food-marts - suburbia. To really see the stars, it takes at least a two hour drive to the Olympic Peninsula or the Cascade Mountains. In WWII, Dad’s destroyer was seriouly damaged by a kamikaze impact. The officers navigated the ship all the way from the Phillipines to San Francisco using the stars.

In the ’60′s, the folks bought beach property a half hour drive from home. Dad taught us kids the major stars and constellations at that time. The Milky Way was then brightly visible. I could always find Cassiopeia, the lazy W by looking above the neighbor’s beach cabin.

Now that old country road is home to housing developments, a grade school, and gas station/food-marts – suburbia. To really see the stars, it takes at least a two hour drive to the Olympic Peninsula or the Cascade Mountains.

]]> By: Dean Ohlman http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-617 Dean Ohlman Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:11:18 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-617 I call that "pride of the present." The living generation always seems to believe that the generations before were hopelessly backward. I too saw the impressive conjecture about the location of the Egyptian pyramids seeming to match the layout of the constellation Orion. That the German disk had a calendar function certainly seems plausible, especially since there are seven stars in the one cluster--seven being the sum of stars the ancients gave to the Pleiades (even though that number is totally arbitrary since there are more stars that could be counted as part of the constellation.) One thing is certain to me: they sure were a lot smarter than I am in knowing how to navigate and use the stars for calendar purposes. I use my GPS unit or Google Earth. Even found your place, Steve! I call that “pride of the present.” The living generation always seems to believe that the generations before were hopelessly backward.

I too saw the impressive conjecture about the location of the Egyptian pyramids seeming to match the layout of the constellation Orion.

That the German disk had a calendar function certainly seems plausible, especially since there are seven stars in the one cluster–seven being the sum of stars the ancients gave to the Pleiades (even though that number is totally arbitrary since there are more stars that could be counted as part of the constellation.) One thing is certain to me: they sure were a lot smarter than I am in knowing how to navigate and use the stars for calendar purposes. I use my GPS unit or Google Earth. Even found your place, Steve!

]]> By: SFDBWV http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-616 SFDBWV Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:28:47 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-616 Dean, thanks for the link. That is the same artifact and argument. I am always amused at the sharp differences between experts when an object they can't explain or ignore surfaces. The very account you give in your comments about Subaru, adds to my thoughts concerning our common ancestors finding importance in the same celestial observations. I have also read and seen where the pyramids of Egypt were grouped to copy constellations and align with them. Watched last evening about the Incan city of Machu Picchu, being built with heavenly alignments and purpose. By a people who had no written record or alphabet. It would seem that in the small-minded busy world we live in, we have forgotten much. Steve Dean, thanks for the link. That is the same artifact and argument.

I am always amused at the sharp differences between experts when an object they can’t explain or ignore surfaces.

The very account you give in your comments about Subaru, adds to my thoughts concerning our common ancestors finding importance in the same celestial observations.

I have also read and seen where the pyramids of Egypt were grouped to copy constellations and align with them.

Watched last evening about the Incan city of Machu Picchu, being built with heavenly alignments and purpose. By a people who had no written record or alphabet.

It would seem that in the small-minded busy world we live in, we have forgotten much.

Steve

]]> By: Dean Ohlman http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Dean Ohlman Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:04:28 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-615 Interesting fact: the Japanese word "Subaru" means "Pleiades" and the stars on the car-maker's emblem represent that well-known star cluster. Interesting fact: the Japanese word “Subaru” means “Pleiades” and the stars on the car-maker’s emblem represent that well-known star cluster.

]]> By: Dean Ohlman http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-614 Dean Ohlman Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:49:12 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-614 Great comments, Bob. Please tell me that the stars are still out there! It's been a long time since I've seen the evidence. Great comments, Bob. Please tell me that the stars are still out there! It’s been a long time since I’ve seen the evidence.

]]> By: Dean Ohlman http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-613 Dean Ohlman Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:44:42 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-613 On the clear nights in summer, when I can see the stars, I will sometimes lie in a hammock and look for satellites. I find the majority of them going from south to north. Folks can go to this visual satellite tracking site for assistance: http://www.satobs.org/satintro.html <a href="http://www.satobs.org/satintro.html" rel="nofollow"> On the clear nights in summer, when I can see the stars, I will sometimes lie in a hammock and look for satellites. I find the majority of them going from south to north. Folks can go to this visual satellite tracking site for assistance:

http://www.satobs.org/satintro.html

]]> By: Dean Ohlman http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-612 Dean Ohlman Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:33:48 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-612 Steve, I found an article about this on the BBC news site: <a href="<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6722953.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6722953.stm</a>"> Steve, I found an article about this on the BBC news site:

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6722953.stm“>

]]> By: SFDBWV http://wonderofcreation.org/2010/02/03/missing-the-milky-way/comment-page-1/#comment-609 SFDBWV Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:55:40 +0000 http://www.wonderofcreation.org/?p=5212#comment-609 Watched a very interesting program some time ago about the finding of a "disk" buried in the forrest of Germany. The disk was made of copper and bronze and Gold. On the disk were symbols. The sun, the moon, the constellation of pleiades, and a boat. An almost exact grouping of such symbols are seen in Egyptian writings. But the disc was proven to be of European origin. The Pleiades were seen as the time for planting, Just as God said in Genesis. The stars are to mark the seasons... though the accepted belief concerning the boat in Egyptian mythology is about the sun and it's course accross the sky. I was struck by the idea that all of the ancestors of both the Egyptian and the European came from a boat that landed atop Mt Ararat. Steve Watched a very interesting program some time ago about the finding of a “disk” buried in the forrest of Germany. The disk was made of copper and bronze and Gold.

On the disk were symbols. The sun, the moon, the constellation of pleiades, and a boat. An almost exact grouping of such symbols are seen in Egyptian writings. But the disc was proven to be of European origin.

The Pleiades were seen as the time for planting, Just as God said in Genesis. The stars are to mark the seasons… though the accepted belief concerning the boat in Egyptian mythology is about the sun and it’s course accross the sky. I was struck by the idea that all of the ancestors of both the Egyptian and the European came from a boat that landed atop Mt Ararat.

Steve

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