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		<title>By: Ted M. Gossard</title>
		<link>http://wonderofcreation.org/2009/06/10/thinking-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted M. Gossard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dean, for the wisdom you share here. I find it helpful. This is such a hot, contentious subject, made even more so now by what happened in November. Speaking of Faith yesterday, had an excellent program with Bill McKibben which I found helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dean, for the wisdom you share here. I find it helpful. This is such a hot, contentious subject, made even more so now by what happened in November. Speaking of Faith yesterday, had an excellent program with Bill McKibben which I found helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Ohlman</title>
		<link>http://wonderofcreation.org/2009/06/10/thinking-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Ohlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, as I see it, global warming is a matter of science, not theology or economics or politics.  It is neither a conservative nor a liberal issue.  It&#039;s about the way things are.  If I suffered symptoms of cancer and wanted to deal with it, I would not listen to anyone but the best oncologists---regardless of dissenting opinions from people from all other disciplines (which on global warming I have listened to).  I brought the subject up because it is so big in conservative circles--but only to say how I view it, and to introduce Sir John Houghton, whom I know, and Dr. Thomas Ackerman, whom I don&#039;t know.  These men are both evangelical Christians and a couple of top atmospheric scientists in the world.  Hence I have chosen to listen to them, just like I would have to eventually listen to one or two oncologists if I had cancer and was compelled to deal with it.  One reason for introducing them is to counter the impression that somehow all global warming science is conducted by humanist crackpots.  You say that their statements provide nothing new.  Perhaps that&#039;s because they are reviewing scientific studies that have gone on for decades.  Your implication, as I hear it, is that unless they counter the prevailing scientific conclusion, their views are not worth listening to.

I can understand the depth of your feeling about the creation/evolution issue, but I don&#039;t think you grasp the unkindness of your final statement that implies all followers of Christ who do not hold your view are fools to &quot;man&#039;s imaginings.&quot;  It is that sort of emotional rhetoric that we want to avoid on this forum; hence, a major reason why that issue is not one of &lt;em&gt;Wonder of Creation&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, as I see it, global warming is a matter of science, not theology or economics or politics.  It is neither a conservative nor a liberal issue.  It&#8217;s about the way things are.  If I suffered symptoms of cancer and wanted to deal with it, I would not listen to anyone but the best oncologists&#8212;regardless of dissenting opinions from people from all other disciplines (which on global warming I have listened to).  I brought the subject up because it is so big in conservative circles&#8211;but only to say how I view it, and to introduce Sir John Houghton, whom I know, and Dr. Thomas Ackerman, whom I don&#8217;t know.  These men are both evangelical Christians and a couple of top atmospheric scientists in the world.  Hence I have chosen to listen to them, just like I would have to eventually listen to one or two oncologists if I had cancer and was compelled to deal with it.  One reason for introducing them is to counter the impression that somehow all global warming science is conducted by humanist crackpots.  You say that their statements provide nothing new.  Perhaps that&#8217;s because they are reviewing scientific studies that have gone on for decades.  Your implication, as I hear it, is that unless they counter the prevailing scientific conclusion, their views are not worth listening to.</p>
<p>I can understand the depth of your feeling about the creation/evolution issue, but I don&#8217;t think you grasp the unkindness of your final statement that implies all followers of Christ who do not hold your view are fools to &#8220;man&#8217;s imaginings.&#8221;  It is that sort of emotional rhetoric that we want to avoid on this forum; hence, a major reason why that issue is not one of <em>Wonder of Creation&#8217;s</em> topics.</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://wonderofcreation.org/2009/06/10/thinking-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, I did read the entire lecture Sir John Houghton gave as per your link, and am reading the 15 page article wrote by Dr Thomas ackerman. Both are very tough reads and nothing new.
I must admit Dean I don&#039;t understand why you would bring up a subject on a blog and then not want to discuss it.
I am sorry that you are not open to listen to disenting opinions, this is how we learn.
I see God in all of creation, I see God in all science. I see him because I look for him.

I have read RBC&#039;s booklets on Creation. I am not ashamed to admit I believe in a 6 day creation. I don&#039;t care how I am thought of by other&#039;s, especialy scientists. I would rather be God&#039;s fool than a fool to man&#039;s imaginings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, I did read the entire lecture Sir John Houghton gave as per your link, and am reading the 15 page article wrote by Dr Thomas ackerman. Both are very tough reads and nothing new.<br />
I must admit Dean I don&#8217;t understand why you would bring up a subject on a blog and then not want to discuss it.<br />
I am sorry that you are not open to listen to disenting opinions, this is how we learn.<br />
I see God in all of creation, I see God in all science. I see him because I look for him.</p>
<p>I have read RBC&#8217;s booklets on Creation. I am not ashamed to admit I believe in a 6 day creation. I don&#8217;t care how I am thought of by other&#8217;s, especialy scientists. I would rather be God&#8217;s fool than a fool to man&#8217;s imaginings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Ohlman</title>
		<link>http://wonderofcreation.org/2009/06/10/thinking-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Ohlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Thanks for your reply.  You will note from my post that I have shut my ears to the great majority of people who offer opinions on global warming.  In fact, I have discovered that most working meteorologists in the Grand Rapids whose opinions I have heard are global warming deniers.  So I have simply chosen to listen to two individuals who are near the top in the field of atmospheric science, Ackerman and Houghton.  I am trusting them as both authorities and followers of Christ to give me their honest assessment.  So I will not attempt to address the issues you bring up.  I defer to them.  Have you read their views by following their links?  Ackerman in particular speaks about the way creationism interacts with climate change issues.  We have decided on this forum that we will not take up the issue of creationism vs. Darwinianism.  There are zillions of sites that do that.  If you want to read the RBC position on it, please go our booklet on the topic at this URL: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rbc.org/bible-study/discovery-series/bookletDetail.aspx?id=55904&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Genesis Account

Thanks,

Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.  You will note from my post that I have shut my ears to the great majority of people who offer opinions on global warming.  In fact, I have discovered that most working meteorologists in the Grand Rapids whose opinions I have heard are global warming deniers.  So I have simply chosen to listen to two individuals who are near the top in the field of atmospheric science, Ackerman and Houghton.  I am trusting them as both authorities and followers of Christ to give me their honest assessment.  So I will not attempt to address the issues you bring up.  I defer to them.  Have you read their views by following their links?  Ackerman in particular speaks about the way creationism interacts with climate change issues.  We have decided on this forum that we will not take up the issue of creationism vs. Darwinianism.  There are zillions of sites that do that.  If you want to read the RBC position on it, please go our booklet on the topic at this URL: <a href="http://www.rbc.org/bible-study/discovery-series/bookletDetail.aspx?id=55904" rel="nofollow"> Genesis Account</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Dean</a></p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://wonderofcreation.org/2009/06/10/thinking-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, I am not a scientist nor am I an author or expert on the subject of &quot;Global Warming&quot;.
However I do have an opinion. My opinion is based on life experiance, scientific reading and common sense.

I am a weather observer for the National Weather Service. Not only do I keep a daily record of weather activity, but have access to records as far back as weather observation has been recorded for my area. There is no evidence of radical weather changes in the limited time we have been recording data.

Let me begin by saying that it is obvious that the earth has been warming since the last Ice Age. Otherwise we would never have recovered from the frozen climate the world was locked in.

The scientific community is  divided on what factors cause extreem world wide weather changes. There is no solid agreement. There also is very little actual information available to be able to make a scientific factual conclusion.

There is no doubt that man effects the world we live in and most often negitively.

But the scientists I speak with at the Sterling VA Office of the National Weather Service
do not believe in the Global Warming issue as represented in the news media. Nor do I.

The bigger question is do I believe in &quot;Creation&quot; or &quot;planetary evolution&quot;.
 As a creationist I can accept the Biblical view of the earth being only several thousand years old.

Science disagrees and places earth at mega millions of years old.

Which do you believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, I am not a scientist nor am I an author or expert on the subject of &#8220;Global Warming&#8221;.<br />
However I do have an opinion. My opinion is based on life experiance, scientific reading and common sense.</p>
<p>I am a weather observer for the National Weather Service. Not only do I keep a daily record of weather activity, but have access to records as far back as weather observation has been recorded for my area. There is no evidence of radical weather changes in the limited time we have been recording data.</p>
<p>Let me begin by saying that it is obvious that the earth has been warming since the last Ice Age. Otherwise we would never have recovered from the frozen climate the world was locked in.</p>
<p>The scientific community is  divided on what factors cause extreem world wide weather changes. There is no solid agreement. There also is very little actual information available to be able to make a scientific factual conclusion.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that man effects the world we live in and most often negitively.</p>
<p>But the scientists I speak with at the Sterling VA Office of the National Weather Service<br />
do not believe in the Global Warming issue as represented in the news media. Nor do I.</p>
<p>The bigger question is do I believe in &#8220;Creation&#8221; or &#8220;planetary evolution&#8221;.<br />
 As a creationist I can accept the Biblical view of the earth being only several thousand years old.</p>
<p>Science disagrees and places earth at mega millions of years old.</p>
<p>Which do you believe?</p>
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		<title>By: rdrcomp</title>
		<link>http://wonderofcreation.org/2009/06/10/thinking-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>rdrcomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been one in the past to almost dismiss climate change due to all the hull-a-bull-u from media, politics, etc. but am thankful for your study of the subject and especially the papers from Houghton and Ackerman.  They really do open eyes.

I was particularly struck by Dr. Ackerman&#039;s comment that the conservative Christian community, or evangelicals mostly side with the deniers (must be partially why I was among the group).

For a subject that has massive ramifications, even for those who deny climate change, you would think we as a nation could get beyond our personal biases and look at the evidence and make appropriate responses.  Your suggestions seem very sound.  (From one who relates well to the young lad suggesting letting air out of tires).

Those of us who really care for the forests, rivers, or wherever we happen to care for should be together in this and help to be part of the solution.

Keep us posted.  You&#039;re doing a good job.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been one in the past to almost dismiss climate change due to all the hull-a-bull-u from media, politics, etc. but am thankful for your study of the subject and especially the papers from Houghton and Ackerman.  They really do open eyes.</p>
<p>I was particularly struck by Dr. Ackerman&#8217;s comment that the conservative Christian community, or evangelicals mostly side with the deniers (must be partially why I was among the group).</p>
<p>For a subject that has massive ramifications, even for those who deny climate change, you would think we as a nation could get beyond our personal biases and look at the evidence and make appropriate responses.  Your suggestions seem very sound.  (From one who relates well to the young lad suggesting letting air out of tires).</p>
<p>Those of us who really care for the forests, rivers, or wherever we happen to care for should be together in this and help to be part of the solution.</p>
<p>Keep us posted.  You&#8217;re doing a good job.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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